PRE10 still can't remember its render files!

[Gerlinde]

Has anyone else noticed that? I created an instant movie and broke it apart to see how the effects are done. I rendered the timeline to get a smooth playback. I saved and closed the program, the red line on top of the timeline was back when I re-opened the project.
I tested if that would happen in PRE7 too, and it did not. I know PRE9 could never remember the render files.

[Steve Grisetti]

On both a Mac and PC, I'm getting 100% of my renders when I re-opem a project.

[Gerlinde]

Interesting
Are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit version?
I'm using the 64-bit version and had also a problem starting the inspiration browser from the splash screen. It is fixed now, Adobe posted a Knowledge base article for a workaround. Maybe the 64-bit version has some hiccups.

[Chuck Engels]

Hi Gerlinde
Are your project files all on an internal drive or external?

[George Tyndall]

I tested if that would happen in PRE7 too, and it did not. I know PRE9 could never remember the render files.

The problem that I immediately noticed, before I uninstalled them, is that with both PRE9 and 10 the "body" of the CTI would race forward but the "head" would lag behind, when I placed an MPEG2 HD 1920 x 1080i 30 file on the timeline.

In addition, whereas with PRE7 I could see some of the slide show images on the timeline, with both 9 and 10 I could not.

Because I had already set up my machine per Steve's tips before running any of the 3 programs, I got the impression that both PRE 9 and 10 require lots more resources than the machine in my signature has available.

On the other hand, Chuck and others have written that PRE10 works very well for them.

It seems the expression "you're mileage may vary" is appropriate. I wish I knew why there is such variation of experiences.

[Gerlinde]

Are your project files all on an internal drive or external?

In this case they are on my internal drive.
When I play back the timeline, after I re-opened the project, it seems to playback smooth like it did after rendering. The red line is not solid red, there are a few places with green.
Maybe its only something weird displaying the rendered timeline.
I'm just going to capture some video from my HV30 and see if it behaves differently. The clips I used for my test were from my Panasonic Lumix camera ( 1280x720 mjpeg .mov).
I used the same clips in PRE7 though and there I have no problem with this.

[RJ Johnston]

PRE10 won't remember a render file if the Stabilizer effect is applied to a clip. That's the only time I've lost render files so far. PRE9 had serious problems. If you created projects in 9 and are using them now in 10, then render files may still be lost.

[Gerlinde]

Nothing like the things you are mentioning RJ. No stabilizer applied and this was a new project.

I just finished capturing from my HV30 camera (tape). First hiccup I had was the program complained about the project settings not being the right ones. I used this:

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Had to redo the whole setup, then it worked. But no capture preview - very annoying! You would think they could have managed by now to get that to work. It always works in PRE7 for me.

[Chuck Engels]

That was the correct project preset to use, sometimes I think the program guesses wrong.
When given the opportunity for Premiere Elements to change the project settings I usually say "NO".
That is unless I am unsure myself.

With the files I get from the same Nikon DSLR, 720p, it has never been happy with what I have chosen. The first time it said the settings were wrong and I let it make the change. I had chosen a DSLR 720p preset but Premiere Elements said it should be AVCHD Lite instead. Then the next time I chose AVCHD Lite and it said that the setting was not correct and wanted to change it, I just say "NO" from now on as the AVCHD Lite setting works perfectly.


I have never been able to get the HD Capture Preview working in any version, that's why I only capture with HDVSplit.

[RJ Johnston]

I have an HV20 clip that I added the timeline, but PRE10 didn't complain. I used the same preset as you pointed out, Gerlinde. It's not my clip, though, and I doubt it was captured with Premiere Elements.

Regarding lost render files, can you narrow it down so you know what effect is causing the problem?

[Gerlinde]

Lost render files: I used "Summer Beach" for an instant movie. It seems all the clips have "AutoTone & Vibrance" and also "Three Way Color Correction" applied. In places, where there is nothing else on the higher video tracks, the render is green.
Where there are other effects applied it is red. Here is a snapshot of the timeline:

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And here is the Properties Panel of the highlighted clip:

Capture2.JPG

Maybe what they have all in common is the fact that there are keyframes.

I also did a test where I only used pictures and applied the Pan & Zoom Slideshow Theme. Same difference, rendering is lost after closing the program.

[RJ Johnston]

There is a problem with Opacity. After breaking apart an instant movie, take a look at the Opacity property for the videos/photos. Keyframe animation has not been turned on. After saving the project, then closing and opening the project again, take a look at the Opacity property again. Now notice that keyframe animation is turned on.

The workaround is that after creating an instant movie, break it apart, then save the project. After you open the project again, go ahead and render previews. When you save the project, then close and open it again, the render files should be there.

For instant movies that you have already rendered previews for, you might be able to recover the rendered files by turning off keyframe animation of the Opacity property for each video/photo.

[Ron Hunter]

I've never used "Instant Movie" and I'm curious if all of those filters/effects were applied by "Instant Movie", or by you Gerlinde?

[Gerlinde]

RJ wrote:

There is a problem with Opacity.

I don't know how you figured this out, but you are correct!

after.JPG

I toggled off the Opacity Keyframe animation, saved and closed the project. After opening the project again, the Opacity Keyframe animation is turned back on. Should I have rendered again?
I have not tried your other suggestion yet, I should probably start with a fresh project for that.

Ron, all those effects were automatically created by Instant Movie. It's a great way to learn new stuff!

Some time later....
So I tried your workaround, RJ. I created a new project, imported 20 photos and created an InstantMovie with the Slideshow Pan & Zoom Theme. I broke the movie apart, saved and closed the project. Now I reopened it, rendered and saved again before closing. When I first reopened this project again, the red line was back! As I was headed for the little X in the right hand top corner of the project to close it in frustration, the red line turned green all of a sudden
So your workaround does the job RJ!

[RJ Johnston]

Gerlinde, I'm sure glad you waited long enough for the green to show up.

I was working with the Pan and Zoom slideshow instant movie where there aren't very many effects applied to the clips. So I was able to find the opacity problem very quickly.