Burning BD with PE9

[tedsmithau]

I have a problem burning a BD disk that will play on my new Pioneer TV player.
It all plays perfectly on an older Panasonic player and with Windows media player on my computer but reports as incompatible on my player.

I examined the disk with Imgburm and it reports that the disk status is 'incomplete'.

This suggests that there IS something wrong with how the disk was burnt even though PE9 announced that the burn was successfull.

Is there some sort of 'finalalisation' process I have to follow after the burning is reported as having finished like there was with DVD's ?

The burner is capable of 8x but I used a 4x Verbatim disk assuming PE9 would automatically select the appropriate speed. If this was really a problem you would think the computer would not be able to play the disk either or there would be errors.

This is the Ingburn report:-

HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH10LS30 1.00 (ATA)
Current Profile: BD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Incomplete
State of Last Session: Incomplete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 11,826,176
Size: 24,220,008,448 bytes
Time: 2628:04:26 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 11826175)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 11826176)

Disc Definition Structure:
ISA0 Size: 4,096 clustors - Full: No
OSA0 Size: 8,192 clustors - Full: No
Certified: No
Scanned: No
Manufacturers Name: HL-DT-ST
Additional ID: BD-RE BH10LS30
Serial Number: K9FA6255815

BD Disc Information:
Disc ID: VERBAT-IMc-000
Disc Type: BD-R
Disc Size: 120mm
Disc Class: 0
Disc Version: 1
Number of Layers: 1
Layer Type: Writable
DVD Layer Present: No
CD Layer Present: No
Channel Bit Length: 74.5nm (25GB Per Layer)
Push-Pull Polarity: Positive
Recorded Mark Polarity: HTL
BCA Present: Yes
Maximum Transfer Rate: Not Specified
First PAA of Data Zone: 131,072
Last PAA of Data Zone: 1,658,494

Performance (Write Speed):
Descriptor 1...
-> B0: 0x02, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 11826175 (0x00B473FF)
-> RS: 21,350 KB/s (4.9x) - WS: 8,991 KB/s (2x)
Descriptor 2...
-> B0: 0x02, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 11826175 (0x00B473FF)
-> RS: 21,350 KB/s (4.9x) - WS: 17,982 KB/s (4x)
Descriptor 3...
-> B0: 0x02, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 11826175 (0x00B473FF)
-> RS: 21,350 KB/s (4.9x) - WS: 26,973 KB/s (6x)
Descriptor 4...
-> B0: 0x02, B1: 0x00, B2: 0x00, B3: 0x00
-> EL: 11826175 (0x00B473FF)
-> RS: 21,350 KB/s (4.9x) - WS: 35,964 KB/s (8x)

Thanks in anticipation

[Steve Grisetti]

It could be one of a couple of issues, Ted -- none of which are related to the software:
1) Most likely, your BluRay player isn't as compatible with home-burned media as it's advertised to be. Since your other player can play your disc, that's very likely the problem here.
2) The other possibility is problems with the media. Disc brands can make a big difference -- so always use a good brand like Verbatim or Maxell, and never use an off-brand or Memorex. It's also possible that your burner is burning your disc so fast that it's compromising the data writing enough that your disc player can't read it.

Unfortunately, Premiere Elements can neither control the speed of your burn or burn your BluRay files to a folder on your hard drive so that you can use another program to burn the disc.

One possible option, then, is to supplement Premiere Elements with a dedicated BluRay authoring program,so that you do your editing in Premiere Elements, then output your final video to this program for creating menus and burning your disc.

A personal favorite disc authoring program on this site is Sony's DVD Architect Studio 5, which includes both the ability to slow down your disc burn speed and to save your BluRay files as an .iso on your hard drive. The download of this software is only $39, and we offer both a book and tutorials on this site for using it. In fact, if you do a product search on "DVD Architect" you can see some free Basic Training tutorials for it.

[George Tyndall]

Unfortunately, Premiere Elements can neither control the speed of your burn or burn your BluRay files to a folder on your hard drive so that you can use another program to burn the disc.

One possible option, then, is to supplement Premiere Elements with a dedicated BluRay authoring program,so that you do your editing in Premiere Elements, then output your final video to this program for creating menus and burning your disc.

A personal favorite disc authoring program on this site is Sony's DVD Architect Studio 5, which includes both the ability to slow down your disc burn speed and to save your BluRay files as an .iso on your hard drive. The download of this software is only $39, and we offer both a book and tutorials on this site for using it. In fact, if you do a product search on "DVD Architect" you can see some free Basic Training tutorials for it.

Whoa, Steve!

It's 10am Saturday here and I've got only about 2 more hours of work to do here in the office, so I had been contemplating how to spend the rest of the weekend. Now I know (I've already got the book).

Thanks for the suggestion!

[George Tyndall]

A personal favorite disc authoring program on this site is Sony's DVD Architect Studio 5, which includes both the ability to slow down your disc burn speed and to save your BluRay files as an .iso on your hard drive.

Steve, I like to "share" all my creations to Personal Computer as HD MPEG2 1920 x 1080 30 files. I use these both for playback from the HDD and when I wish to burn either a SD DVD or Blu-ray. The resulting file on my HDD is said to be an AVCHD file. I don't see this format listed among the "work more efficiently and more reliably than others" with DVD Architect Studio 5 (pages 2 and 139). Instead, I see that the file should be AVC using the H.264 codec. Don't those take a lot longer to "share" to Personal Computer?



Comments, please!

Ron, love this smilie. Is it new?

[John 'twosheds' McDonald]

Hi Ted. Something looks definitely awry here with ImgBurn reporting that the disc is "incomplete". The author of ImgBurn is very helpful in cases like this so I would suggest that you post in that forum. It may be just something simple like an optional setting accidently used.....

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?act=idx

Please post back here and let us know how you got on in the ImgBurn forum as the solution will likely have relevance to some of the folk here.

[tedsmithau]

Well I finally discovered there is something wrong with PE9 because I have now been able to get a burnt disk to play perfectly on my new high quality Pioneer player. This means my Pioneer player is OK.

The BD disk I made with PE9 plays in my computer
I copied only the m2ts file off the burnt disk back to my computer. This means my burner and the disk was burnt OK.

I then burnt another BD disk using the previously burnt file using Cyberlink Powerproducer. This is a simple editor that came with my computer burner.

This now plays perfectly with no loss in quality on my Pioneer player. Pioneer claim their player will play BDAV and BDMV disks.

This suggests that there is something drastically wrong with PE9 BD burning system or it is somehow 'non standard".

This means that PE9 is NOT OK!

Any comments before I let them know?

The main difference was a folder name is differently and PE9 called the file 00000 while Power called it 00001. PE9 contains a Certificate folder in the root directory. A few files in the first folder are different.

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The following is the structure of the PE9 burnt disk

BDMV
index.bdmv
MovieObject.bdmv



AUXDATA Empty



BDJO (Folder) Empty



CLIPINF (Folder)
00000.clpi 27kb



JAR (Folder) Empty



META (Folder) Empty



PLAYLIST (Folder)
00000.mpls 1kb



STREAM (Folder)
00000.m2ts 6gb



BACKUP
index.bdmv 1kb
MovieObject.bdmv 1kb



BDJO (Folder)



CLIPINFO (Folder)



JAR (Folder)



PLAYLIST (Folder)



CERTIFICATE (Folder) contains
id.bdmv 1kb

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The following is the structure of the Powerproducer burnt disk


BDAV
info.bdav 2k
mark.td2 16k
menu.tdt2 16k
menu.tidx 2k


CLIPINF
00001.clpi 28k



PLAYLIST
00001.rpls 2k



STREAM
00001.m2ts 6,522,006k (The video)



BACKUP
info.bdav 2k
mark.td2 16k
menu.tidx 2k


CLIPINF
00001.clpi 28k


PLAYLIST
00001.rpls 2k

[George Tyndall]

Any comments before I let them know?

PRE is notorious for "stumbling" at burning discs directly, so many users share instead to folder, then use a separate program like (free) ImgBurn to burn the disc from the folder.

Problem is, PRE cannot share a HD timeline to folder, and that is where Sony's DVD Architect Studio 5 ($39 for the download) shines.

In fact, I am now using DAS5 to burn both my SD and my Blu-ray discs.

Be sure to get Steve's book (available in the Muvipix Store which has a link on the left side of this page) along with the software as it is so much easier to use than the Help files that come with the software.

[VernonRobinson]

Just a stab in the dark, but it sounds like the old CD days where the burning software did not specifically close the disc. While this allowed you to append a new data session on the "expensive disk", it would lead to commercial players that would not read the disk, while a computer could easily read the unclosed disc. I do not have a BluRay to test this on, but look for something called "Closing Disc or Finalize Disc" or something to that effect in your burner software.

I thought that a video disk would be closed automatically and that a data disk would be left open, but that may be a false remembrance.

-Vernon

[RJ Johnston]

I've successfully burned Blu-ray discs in Premiere Elements 9 that played back in my Sony Blu-ray player. But I stopped doing that because of an issue with the menus. At the end of the movie, there should be a return to the menu, but what happens is the disc stops playing.

[George Tyndall]

At the end of the movie, there should be a return to the menu, but what happens is the disc stops playing.

I've had a different problem.

If my PRE7 timeline has a stop marker at the end, then any discs that I burn from this timeline will replay automatically when the end is reached.

But if I burn the discs with DVD Artchitect Studio 5.0 from intermediate SD or HD files that I have created with the same PRE7 timeline, the play stops and must be restarted manually.