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Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Fri May 15, 2020 3:46 am

I seem to have a quality issue with this video uploaded to YouTube. Other recent uploads have similar problems but my earlier video are ok in comparison.

The camera (Osmo Pocket - my walkabout camera) recorded at 25fps and the project was set at 25fps. It was uploaded at the highest available settings HD1080 HIGH H.264.

The transitions are blotchy and the slow pan is jerky. It plays perfectly on my PC. My earlier YouTube videos are ok.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby Steve Grisetti » Fri May 15, 2020 7:28 am

What happens if you use Export & Share/Devices/Computer to produce a 1920x1080 MP4?

When you open it with a program like VLC Media Player and you compare it with your original footage, how does it look?

This issue could well be YouTube. If the biggest issues occur in segments where there is a lot of camera movement, it could be related to YouTube's compression and your internet speed.
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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Fri May 15, 2020 11:17 am

What happens if you use Export & Share/Devices/Computer to produce a 1920x1080 MP4?

I've not tried that Steve. I usually upload to Youtube direct from PRE and that's has been acceptable in the past. I'll try your suggestion above Steve and then upload to YouTube manually.

Thanks again.

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby Steve Grisetti » Fri May 15, 2020 12:26 pm

Actually all I was suggesting was that you compare Premiere Elements' output with the original video. Just to make sure that it's up to snuff.

Once we've established that, we can look at the best way to get the best quality on YouTube.
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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Sun May 17, 2020 4:26 pm

Thanks Steve,

I saved an MP4 version at the highest setting 1920 x 1080 from PRE
16 mins
1920 x 1080
Data Rate 31343
Total Bitrate 31500
25fps
3.53 GB

Original footage recorded at 50 fps.

The MP4 file played back at top quality through VLC

I uploaded that file to YouTube - it took 10 hours as I have a slow upload speed here.

Much better on YouTube but not brilliant. Looks fine on my PC but not so good on the TV. The projects made with the same gear and PRE 14 etc last year look much smoother.

Would I be better recording future footage at 25fps or any other suggestions. Perhaps you would be good enough to advise a work flow and settings from camera set up to YouTube upload. Apologies if I'm being a bit cheeky asking this but I've read through your book and thought I was doing it all correct.

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby Steve Grisetti » Sun May 17, 2020 7:17 pm

Did you create your own output settings, John? I've never seen a data rate of 31,343. HD files are usually 8,000 or less. Which is why your file was so huge and why it took forever to upload.

Just use Export & Share/Device/Computer 1920x1080 mp4 at the default setting to output your file.

There's no value in pushing things like data rate so high. You'll just create a huge file without any kind of trade-off in "quality".
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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Sun May 17, 2020 7:59 pm

Hi Steve

re: Just use Export & Share/Device/Computer 1920x1080 mp4 at the default setting to output your file.

That's all I did. I set the quality slider to High. When I check the properties in the resulting MP4 file I get

1920 x 1080
Data Rate 31343
Total Bitrate 31500
25fps
3.53 GB

I have a couple of screen shots but can't find how to embed them. Would make it easier for you to see what I'm doing.

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Sun May 17, 2020 8:09 pm

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Sun May 17, 2020 8:10 pm

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby momoffduty » Sun May 17, 2020 8:36 pm

Hi John. Curious why you edited in 25fps when the footage was shot at 50fps. I edit and export based on the shot frame rate, 59.94 example. In PrPro I export as 59.97 with 2 pass encoding. The bit rate is set at 15 for low and 20 for high targets. I don't know if Elements has that option. My last file was 2 minutes in length and the file size was 280mb. Maybe editing in 50fps and re-encoding to 25fps would give choppy transitions?
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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby Steve Grisetti » Sun May 17, 2020 8:46 pm

There is no value in pushing that quality lever all the way to the end. As I said, the trade-off in quality-to-file-size really isn't worth it. You don't see that much of a difference. Try using the default settings.
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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Mon May 18, 2020 4:38 am

Hi Steve

I had the timeline set at 50fps and the clips are shown as 50 fps. I notice that when I go to export it, it shows as 25fps - see previous screen shots. I didn't intentionally change any setting to 25fps or is this a default.

John

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby Steve Grisetti » Mon May 18, 2020 7:01 am

Again, I think we're trying too hard to adjust things that don't really matter.

If, when you add your video to the timeline, you don't see a yellow-orange render line along the top of the timeline (until you add effects), then your settings are matching your video specs. If not, we can look at ways to tweak that.

But if your specs match your video and you then use Export & Share/Devices/Computer to output a 1920x1080 mp4 at its default setting, you will get an excellent, YouTube-ready video. Comparing it to your original on an app like VLC Media Player should demonstrate that.

Once you've done that, the rest is kind of out of your hands. YouTube is going to convert it to their format -- with little noticeable quality loss. But the speed of your internet connection, how heavy traffic is on YouTube at any given time and other factors may come into play, but there's not a lot you can do about that.
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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby John Walker » Mon May 18, 2020 5:18 pm

When I had that quality loss, I started to compensate by increasing quality settings as you say. I'm still not sure why I had that one poor quality upload as I don't normally have a problem. I'm going to thoroughly check all the settings and then upload it again to see how it turns out. Nothing to lose.

Anyway, the main thing is that I've learned a lot from this exercise so many thanks for your patience Steve. :::muvipix:::

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Re: Quality loss on YouTube

Postby Steve Grisetti » Mon May 18, 2020 6:45 pm

Best news possible, John!
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