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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Bobby » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:37 pm

Well, I need more help!

Phase 1 of my work completed successfully. I found a DVD image to MPEG converter and it worked fine. All the 60+ images fit on a 64GB thumb drive and I am sending them out to the family now. Resolution is standard DVD widescreen, but I can live with that.

Phase 2 involved taking some videos taken in the 2008-2012 era with my old Canon HV30, that came in as .m2t files. I had made .mov files from them in the dim past, for display on iPads and iPhones, etc. I went back and opened the projects and just changed the output to MPEG 1440x1080 @ 30. Worked fine.

BUT when putting those on thumb drive and plugging into my living room PC (less than 1 year old) I found out that my TV will not play (not even recognize) files bigger than 3GB or so.I don't know the exact number, but I will call LG Monday and try to find out.

Projects of even 15 minutes are coming out > 3GB. I need some help and direction on how to get the file sizes down. I am using PE10, so limited to the presets it has. HDTV 720? Or I could just stay with the .mov files I made - not great but probably as good as the DVD images look.

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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby sidd finch » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:56 pm

Bobby that might be a limitation of the USB drive on the TV. Because it is not powered it might have issues... at least that is my memory.

Depending on if you stream your TV (think cord cutter) there might be an app for your Microsoft storage that you could stream to your TV. I know Vimeo has an app that you can stream from as well as YouTube. I like vimeo because I can keep the videos private.

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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Bobby » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:07 pm

Hi Sidd. I think the TV restriction may be because the thumb drives are formatted FAT32. But if it is a TV limitation, there is not much I can do except get the file size down. I will also check to see if the TV supports NTFS.

I discussed the situation with my wife and family and they do not in any way want the videos online. I already went down that road.

I actually looked at the .mov files I created years ago and they don't look all that bad. Not HD, but for what they are (family memories) they don't have to be. If I just use the .mov files as-is, I can save myself a LOT of work.

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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Chris B » Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:54 am

A quick Google seem to imply that LG TVs understand NTFS and that there is a 4GB file size limitation for FAT32 so NTFS might be the way forwards. However I'm not sure how compatible that will be with other TV Makes/models. Much as it pains me to say it might be a better bet to reduce the bitrate on the videos. Youtube recommends 8 Megabits H264 for 1080p uploads (https://support.google.com/youtube/answ ... 1?hl=en-GB) which will be less that 4GB for an hour. The HV30 will have recorded at 25 megabits MPEG 2 - or around 11GB/hour
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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Bobby » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:45 am

Thanks Chris!

I did some more checking, and the problem I was seeing was NOT that the files were too big for the TV to handle. It turns out that the big files were all type .m2t and it now appears that the TV does not support those. Merely renaming them to .mpg solves the problem.

You are correct that there is a 4GB file size restriction in FAT32. I do not want to go to NTFS as the drives may be used in non-Windows PCs. Do MACs support NTFS?

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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Peru » Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:25 pm

Bobby wrote: Do MACs support NTFS?

They read, but not write:
http://osxdaily.com/2013/10/02/enable-n ... -mac-os-x/
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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Chuck Engels » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:45 pm

For both MAC and PC you need to format the drives exFAT ;)
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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Chuck Engels » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:46 pm

http://www.macyourself.com/2012/03/11/h ... atibility/

The exFAT file system eliminates the two major deficiencies of FAT32: the largest partition and file sizes it supports are virtually unlimited by today’s standards. Awesome, it’s perfect! Almost… since exFAT is fairly new, it isn’t compatible with older Macs and PCs. Any Mac running 10.6.5 (Snow Leopard) or 10.7 (Lion) supports exFAT, while PCs running Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista SP1, and Windows 7 are compatible. If you know you’ll be using computers running updated versions of these operating systems, exFAT is the clear best choice.
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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Chris B » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:54 am

ExFat may be compatible with current PC/Mac operating systems but TV support seems patchy. Again just a quick goggle gives the follows:

LG - "Please use only USB storage devices formatted with the FAT32 or NTFS file system provided by Windows OS"

Sony "Most BRAVIA models supports FAT16, FAT32 and exFAT file systems only for USB playback.
Newer BRAVIA models (2013 onwards) support FAT16, FAT32, exFAT, NTFS file systems. "

Samsung "QLED and SUHD TVs support FAT, exFAT, and NTFS file systems.
Full HD TVs support NTFS (Read Only), FAT16 and FAT32"

Others (Panasonic/Philips etc) seemed harder to find the information for.
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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Chuck Engels » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:23 pm

Yes, TVs are a different story. But to share a single drive between a PC and a MAC exFAT works great.
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Re: Format Conversion, Yet Again

Postby Bobby » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:28 pm

Thanks all. I will stick with FAT32. It’s all I need for now!

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