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Postby momoffduty » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:25 pm

I scanned an old black/white photo at 600dpi and colorized. The original size is slightly larger than 8x10. Odd size of pixels. What I want to have is an 8x10 printed out on card stock at the local big box office store. My frame is 11x14 w/matte and an opening of 8x10. Should the image be printed slightly larger than 8x10 so it will be under the 8x10 opening? I will have them print on a larger sheet and I will trim it myself. My goal is not to see where the photo ends under the matte.

Will this work? Create a new file at 300 dpi at slightly larger than 8x10 and place the photo on that file? What would be a good dimension of the new file?
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby Bob » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:41 am

Check with the store and find out what size card stock they can handle. Standard print sizes are 8x10, 10x12, and 11x14. Those are also known as 8R, 10R, and 11R respectively. But, 10x12 isn't that common and many places don't handle it. Find out also whether they can print your photo full size without scaling at 300 dpi on a larger sheet. Commercial photo printers are typically set up to scale the photo to a standard size and print on that same size stock.

You do want your photo to be slightly larger than the opening in the matte so you don't see the edge of the photo. If the matte is cut accurately, you don't need much, say 1/16 inch or so on each side. If you have room to crop slightly larger than 8x10, do that. Otherwise, you can crop to 8x10 @300 dpi and resize the photo to 102% to add a margin containing image so you won't see a white edge even if slightly misaligned. Set the crop option to delete the pixels, not hide them. If their printer cannot print full size on larger stock without scaling, it would be best to give them a file with the photo sized for the print stock they will be using and have them print borderless at that size. With the dpi @ 300, use the Image>Canvas Size command. Set the Canvas extension color to white and enter the dimensions of the card stock in the width and height field. Your image should be using sRGB. Convert to that if it isn't already. Save the photo as a jpeg. Don't overwrite your original.
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby momoffduty » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:54 am

Thanks Bob! Good to know on the RGB. I did scan the black/white in RGB. I sent the photo 8x10 to the big box drug store for a quick print. They tend to add more contrast. If I had more time I would have used mpix or the local camera shop.

Went to the frame store and the gal said the matte is slightly smaller than 8x10. I had 2 files on a stick with one being at the 102% you suggested. Printed out on laser paper the 8x10.

Comparing the drug store print at $3.99 to the laser print at 64 cents, well the laser print was much better. If I have anymore old photos colorized, I think I will skip the photo option and go with the laser print.

This is a gift to my husband for our 35th Anniv. (I was a child bride ;) if doing the math.)

It is his favorite childhood photo. He was in a sailboat race on Lake Michigan. The photo was taken at the finish line when he was climbing up the mast, about 1/2 way up. Age 13.
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby Bob » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:18 pm

When I was considerably younger, I made my own custom mattes. Now, moderate to severe osteoarthritis in my hands has convinced me that letting the local framing shop do it is a good thing. ;) I like to use custom aspect ratios for my prints and the shop will cut the matte to fit the photo.

Congratulations on your 35th anniversary!
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:34 pm

momoffduty wrote:....This is a gift to my husband for our 35th Anniv. (I was a child bride ;) if doing the math.).....

I believe you, honest I do! :hyst:
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby momoffduty » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:58 pm

Thanks for the well wishes Bob & John. And hey John, not that funny!! =; :) Our washer bit the dust the other day and while we were in the appliance shop waiting for the bill, I said to my husband "Happy Anniversary". He was oh, thanks....hey wait. I told him his gift was the new washer. :fg: We don't give gifts for the Anniversary, only cards. So he will be surprised. :-D

I should say thanks to Sidd for his link to a colorized old photo tut. That is where I got the idea.
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby Kent Frost » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:50 pm

Don't let DPI fool you. You can have a 1,000 dpi image, but if the physical image you scanned is only 1" by 2", 1000 dpi translates into an image file that is 1000 x 2000 pixels. Which, honestly, isn't all bad, but in a world that has digital cameras shooting 5184x3456, it has a hard time comparing.

Try using this as a guide. Whatever size you want to print, figure out your target resolution by mutiplying your height and widthby 300 (because 300 dpi is pretty standard for most printing labs). So in the case of an 8x10 print, your target resolution would be 2400 by 3000 pixels. Just remember that "DPI" is only relevant if you're going to paper, because you're referring to the amount of space on the paper (dots per inch). If you're using an image strictly to be viewed on a screen, then DPI is irrelevant. You could have a 1000x2000 pixel image set to either 72 dpi or 9000 dpi, you still have a 1000x2000 pixel image on the screen.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby sidd finch » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:49 am

Mom Happy 35th & I am glad the link helped with the picture. You could always tell Mr Mom that his anniversary present is that you want to make a documentary of him, but only record it at public places where everyone can watch. That should put him in a good mood..... lol :)

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Re: Print size - need help

Postby Ron » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:00 am

Kent Frost wrote:Don't let DPI fool you. You can have a 1,000 dpi image, but if the physical image you scanned is only 1" by 2", 1000 dpi translates into an image file that is 1000 x 2000 pixels. Which, honestly, isn't all bad, but in a world that has digital cameras shooting 5184x3456, it has a hard time comparing.

Try using this as a guide. Whatever size you want to print, figure out your target resolution by mutiplying your height and widthby 300 (because 300 dpi is pretty standard for most printing labs). So in the case of an 8x10 print, your target resolution would be 2400 by 3000 pixels. Just remember that "DPI" is only relevant if you're going to paper, because you're referring to the amount of space on the paper (dots per inch). If you're using an image strictly to be viewed on a screen, then DPI is irrelevant. You could have a 1000x2000 pixel image set to either 72 dpi or 9000 dpi, you still have a 1000x2000 pixel image on the screen.

Hope this helps.

That's a great explanation :tup:
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Re: Print size - need help

Postby momoffduty » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:37 pm

Thanks Kent, great explanation. :-D

Sidd, I don't know if I have enough SD cards or tapes for his life documentary. He has the gift of gab. :lol: Although, he doesn't mind hamming it up on camera.
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