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What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby Peru » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:31 pm

jackfalbey wrote:Hi karri,

I'd recommend Safe Harbor or Puget Systems. They have a lot of experience building PCs for Adobe software and you'll end up with a better system then if you just configure one from Dell or HP. Their staff are very active on the Adobe forums.


I've purchased two systems from Eric at ADK:
http://www.adkvideoediting.com/
who is also very active on the Adobe forums.
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby jackfalbey » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:39 pm

Yup. ADK is good too.

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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby karri » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:13 pm

Thanks for the input. I'm afraid those vendors are beyond my budget if I want a 6-core system.

I configured this on cpusolutions.com. Anyone heard of them or know anything about them? They are located in Wisconsin.

Your thoughts?



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Socket 2011-v3: Asus X99-A Desktop Motherboard - Intel X99 Chipset - Socket LGA 2011-v3

Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer HCG-850M ATX12V & EPS12V Power Supply

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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:11 am

Just my one observation that unless you are planning to overclock the CPU is the water cooling necessary? :-D
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby karri » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:10 am

John 'twosheds' McDonald wrote:Just my one observation that unless you are planning to overclock the CPU is the water cooling necessary? :-D



Good catch! I was going to ask you guys that! I guess the answer is no then? :)
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby Peru » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:43 am

The water cooling may not be necessary, but I recommend it. Water cooling is not as expensive or complicated as it used to be. One reason is that it is usually only used for the CPU cooler, making a heatsink unnecessary. Compare the price of a CPU water cooler to a CPU fan cooler. I've seen too many CPUs get fried because the owner did not keep the heatsink clean.
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby jackfalbey » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:47 am

A few observations:

The same build on Newegg is around $2400. I don't know what cpusolutions is charging, but this will let you know how much extra you're paying for them to build it.

The water cooling is a good price, only about $20 more than a good fan-based CPU cooler.

I have the Crucial MX100 256GB SSD. It's not as fast as I thought it would be, only around 300MB/s. Samsung, SanDisk, OCZ or Intel would be better.

The PSU brand LEPA is one I'm not familiar with. I'd recommend a more well-known brand like Thermaltake, Corsair, Antec, Cooler Master, or EVGA.

The WD Black HDDs are great. I have a bunch of them and no failures except for one which came out of the box with sector errors and was promptly replaced at no charge. You'll want to have at least 2-3 identical ones in a RAID0 configuration for your raw video files. One single drive might bottleneck trying to provide multiple 4K video streams to the CPU. And of course a strong backup solution in case the RAID fails.
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby karri » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:48 am

Jack thanks so much for your invaluable advice and tallying the prices. You guys amaze me with your knowledge;
I could never learn this like you guys and building it myself would be disastrous :drunken:

I've updated the list to reflect your suggestions and I left in the liquid cooler? I will have to call about the raid because it is not listed and if I add 2 of the same HDs only one shows up :-k

And just so I understand ...

SSD = OS and programs

HD in raid = Source files

Plus an extra HD = for Renders?

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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby Dave McElderry » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:50 am

I can vouch for Corsair customer service. I just had an extremely good outcome with them re one of their power supplies. I'm also a fan of the WD Black series hard drives.
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby jackfalbey » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:11 pm

I was thinking about the GTX 780... it's probably overkill even for what you're doing. Once PPro has enough CUDA cores, memory, and bandwidth, it doesn't benefit much from any more than that. These pages here explain a lot:

http://www.studio1productions.com/Artic ... ereCS5.htm
http://ppbm7.com/index.php/tweakers-pag ... ed-systems

So you can save a little money by choosing a GTX 760 or 770 instead, as long as they have at least 3-4GB of VRAM.

Regarding drive arrangement, this guide is very insightful about how to set up your disks:

http://ppbm7.com/index.php/tweakers-pag ... disk-setup

(Chart below is taken from this page with credit to Harm Millaard and Bill Gerkhe)

I have mine set up as follows because my testing has shown this is the fastest on my system:

C: SSD - OS & programs

D: 3xHDD RAID0 - media files, preview, cache, scratch

E: 1xHDD - export

F: 1xHDD - pagefile, all user files

2 external HDDs -: backups (both drives are exact copies of each other for redundant protection)
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby karri » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:16 pm

Thanks for that great blueprint to follow. Struggling with the price though ...two HD in raid plus the SSD plus a third HD is pushing me over my max limit #-o
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby jackfalbey » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:32 pm

If you have hard drives in your current PC, you can reuse them for export, backups, etc. in the new PC. Installing a hard drive is one of the easiest things to do. Downgrading the GPU to a GTX 760 or 770 will free up some $ to put toward hard drives.
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby Chuck Engels » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:37 pm

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all Jack, I learn something every time you post :)

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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby karri » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:28 pm

Thanks Jack! I will try to juggle the parts as you suggest. One more (dumb?) question ...Is this something to worry about? http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008
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Re: What to expect for the $$$ - May 2014

Postby jackfalbey » Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:04 pm

After reading the article, it appears the failure was the result of a particular combination of a specific Corsair power supply and Asus motherboard. I don't see much reason for concern.

Of course, ALL electronics and components will fail eventually... some do it right out of the box and others last for years. I've had some components die within the first few months and others that are still going 5+ years later. Hard drives are the most common devices to fail, hence the need for a good backup strategy especially when running a RAID0, because one failed drive will result in the loss of all data on that array.

My first editing PC was a Dell desktop that is now 10 years old and still running as my home theater PC with all of its original components including the hard drive. Go figure.

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