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Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Di Hansen » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:59 pm

For best quality, am I correct in burning 720 x 480 SD clips to HD 1440 x 1080 Resolution on a Blu-ray disc instead of 1920 x 1080 Resolution? My logic is thinking "yes".

This is the first time I have compiled/burned SD video to Blu-Ray. My client wants as many SD clips to watch on a disc as possible and uses only their Blu-ray player for video viewing.

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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Steve Grisetti » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:20 am

If your original video is 720x480, you won't get better quality by burning it to a 1920x1080 BluRay. You can't add pixels, so your video can't be better than the original.

In fact, most HDTVs have software for upscaling DVDs so that they look almost as good as BluRays. So it's better to give your TV high-quality DVD video (720x480) and let it do the upscaling rather than your doing it yourself (which will result in a blurrier image).
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:18 am

Got it! Thank you!

I realized I would be sacrificing quality burning SD clips to Blu-ray. I am limited in my output option; my final product needs to be on a Blu-ray disc.

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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Steve Grisetti » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:03 am

Really? That's an interesting requirement.

I suppose you could burn your standard def project as a BluRay if you needed to. It's just not going to give you a sharper picture.
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Chuck Engels » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:01 am

Yes, Blu Ray is a HD medium, not an SD medium. I have never burned a SD project to Blu Ray, not sure what the outcome would be.
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:57 am

Steve Grisetti wrote:Really? That's an interesting requirement.

I suppose you could burn your standard def project as a BluRay if you needed to. It's just not going to give you a sharper picture.


I have 60+ hours of SD video from camcorder cassettes, transferred into .AVI files (requiring many DVDs and project timelines) #-o
Benefit of Blu-ray discs = larger capacity = hold more video

I burned a Blu-ray disc with some of the SD video and played it back using my Blu-ray player and 55" HDTV. The picture is acceptable considering it is SD, and as you stated, no improvement in quality.

I do not prefer to burn SD to Blu-ray media. I am trying to make this huge project manageable in terms of output and client request. Your points are more than well-taken. :tup:

Make my project easier with the variables. Any other ideas? I welcome them! :exc:
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Chuck Engels » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:08 pm

Do you know what most people will use to play the video? For a Blu Ray disc they need a PS3 or similar game console or a Blu Ray player. From my experience not a lot of people have either. did you ever think about putting them on a flash drive? They are pretty cheap when bought in bulk these days and they can be plugged into most TVs and computer devices. Otherwise a DVD seems to still be more popular and every computer and most laptops have a DVD drive. That said, I have 3 Blu Ray players but I am not normal :)
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Chuck Engels » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:10 pm

The Blu Ray does have more space but there are also dual layer DVDs that hold just over 8GB. I think that the Flash Drive is worth considering.
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Steve Grisetti » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:41 pm

Chuck makes a good point. I keep all of my DVDs saved as VIDEO_TS folders on my hard drive. You can fit over 100 on a 500 gig hard drive!

I can play them any time on my computer and, if I do need to have one on DVD, I can spit out a disc in about 10 minutes.
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Bob » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:46 pm

Chuck or Steve,

Does Premiere Elements 14 have a preset to create an SD Blu-Ray disc? The Blu-Ray specification does provide for 720x480 SD content on Blu-Ray in both mpeg-2 and h.264 but I don't know whether Pre 14 will allow for the custom settings to get that. I'm thinking it doesn't, but I don't know. The project would need to be authored as a menued Blu-Ray, not a collection of dvds. I recall hearing that you could get about 2 hours of mpeg-2 or about 10 hours of h.264 on a Blu-Ray. But, if it can't write it, that doesn't matter. Anything else you know of that could write an SD Blu-Ray project?
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Chuck Engels » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:06 pm

Even so you still need a blu ray player to play the discs, which is what I think is the biggest downfall here. I will check and see if there is the SD output for burning a blu ray and let you know.
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Chuck Engels » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:18 pm

Premiere Elements 14 only allows HD content to be burned to a Blu Ray disc, options of 1080 or 1440, same for AVCHD disc. DVDs can only be SD.

If the files were exported as MP4s they could be burned to the disc and then played that way I suppose, but the person viewing the videos must have a Blu Ray player and that still becomes a problem. It won't be too long before Blu Ray discs are obsolete and large flash drives, downloads and streaming will be cheap and everywhere, not like that isn't the case already.

I have about 20 hub printable Blu Ray discs, Verbatim BD-R, I will never use. If anyone wants them, just pay for shipping and they are yours. I also still have a bunch of Lightscribe DVDs and hub printable DVDs that I don't know what I am going to do with ...
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:28 pm

Chuck Engels wrote:Premiere Elements 14 only allows HD content to be burned to a Blu Ray disc, options of 1080 or 1440, same for AVCHD disc. DVDs can only be SD.

If the files were exported as MP4s they could be burned to the disc and then played that way I suppose, but the person viewing the videos must have a Blu Ray player and that still becomes a problem. It won't be too long before Blu Ray discs are obsolete and large flash drives, downloads and streaming will be cheap and everywhere, not like that isn't the case already.

I have about 20 hub printable Blu Ray discs, Verbatim BD-R, I will never use. If anyone wants them, just pay for shipping and they are yours. I also still have a bunch of Lightscribe DVDs and hub printable DVDs that I don't know what I am going to do with ...


Hahahaha I have stacks of Lightscribe DVDs accumulating dust. Boy, I really thought these were awesome when they came out. :whew:

You guys are brilliant! Your ideas have helped me process and set my plan for this project and future projects.

Re: PRE 14 setting for SD content to Blu-ray
This option would have been the ticket for me in this situation. Bummer.

Re: Blu-ray discs
My client asked specifically for Blu-ray discs so I will produce these for her and her family using the SD video.
Reality: Still, many of my clients are challenged in letting go of their "photo album" mentality. Many still ask for a disc that has a custom label and is tangible...something their kids can put in a player and watch with little assistance. Families still like to watch together, gathered around their televisions. More about this below. :fg:

Re: Flash drive (part 1)
In addition to the Blu-ray discs, I have been converting the .AVI files to SD MP4 - H.264 files. I will save the files to an external flash/hard drive and give this to my client, as well.
This will enable them to watch the video on their computers and create their own iMovies or similar using the MP4 files. This was part of my original plan, prior to posting to this forum.

Re: Flash drive (part 2)
I HAD NOT thought of selling them (or anyone else) on the vision of connecting their flash drive (containing the files) to their HDTV and viewing them using the television interface!
I have a Sony Bravia HDTV and knew it has this capability. I just haven't viewed my mp4 files on my HDTV. I will need to start! In addition, I will check out my client's HDTV capabilities!

I am seeing the trend of discs becoming obsolete. As you stated, Chuck, viewing on a TV via files on an external drive or streaming will replace the disc and respective players. AND family and friends will still be able gather on their couch and armchairs around a larger screen (HDTV).

This vision sets my progress and plans forward. I will not miss the burning to disc/folder/image process. ::wav::

I am SET. Thank you for your prompt help! ::CLAP:
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Chuck Engels » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:52 am

Glad we were able to help :TU:

I have a 2TB portable Seagate Freeagent hard drive connected to my TV at all times, it has all of our home movies and 100's of photos on it. When the kids and grandkids come over we can watch any video or look at old photos any time we want :)
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Re: Burning 720 x 480 SD clips to Blu-ray

Postby Di Hansen » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:27 am

Chuck Engels wrote:Glad we were able to help :TU:

I have a 2TB portable Seagate Freeagent hard drive connected to my TV at all times, it has all of our home movies and 100's of photos on it. When the kids and grandkids come over we can watch any video or look at old photos any time we want :)


PERFECT! I am going to create this too! Great idea! (wish I would have thought of it!)

Thanks again! :fg:
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