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Postby karri » Sun May 26, 2019 3:28 pm

Hi everyone,

So I finally was able to free up enough space on my SSD drive to install Creative Cloud. Buuut it turns out now Premiere Pro doesn't run on Windows 7, only W10 :( So I thought I'd try DaVinci Resolve but it seems that only runs on Windows 10, too. Cyberlink has everything in it and is really amazing, but I could never get used to editing in it.

So I'm thinking of getting a new computer for video editing and keeping the old Windows 7 PC for everything else.

Are you all on Windows 10 now? Any advice? (I'm mostly editing 4K footage (or the almost 4K, I forget what they call it :-D ) from a Sony AX 100 and a Note 8.)

I noticed this already built PC on sale this weekend.
https://www.cpusolutions.com/store/pc/V ... 9p5137.htm

What so you all think? Overkill? Although I'd like to future proof somewhat. Would you get 32 or 64 GB Ram? I have 32 on my editing PC currently, but it can slow down after a while.

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Re: New PC?

Postby Steve Grisetti » Sun May 26, 2019 5:24 pm

64-bit Windows 10 Pro is really the standard operating systems for PCs, karri.

As with any operating system, you're going to find people who hate it. But I love it. I think it's the closest Microsoft has come to the Mac operating system. It's stable and well-designed.

Microsoft is also going to end support for Windows 7 soon, while new versions of Windows 10 are continually being developed and rolled out at no charge to registered users. So in my not-so-humble opinion, moving to a new system running Windows 10 is a given.

That new system you're looking at is a real powerhouse -- but that's quite a hefty price tag too. If you can afford the investment and you need all that power, it's a very nice machine. But because technology loses value so fast, I usually try not to pay more than $1000 for a new system. That way if it's worth only 50% of it's value in a year, I've only lost $500 rather than $1500, if I'd bought a $3,000 computer.

But I'm a bit of a cheapskate that way.
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Re: New PC?

Postby Peru » Sun May 26, 2019 7:23 pm

karri wrote:What so you all think? Overkill? Although I'd like to future proof somewhat. Would you get 32 or 64 GB Ram? I have 32 on my editing PC currently, but it can slow down after a while.


I wouldn't call it overkill at all for Premiere Pro.

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and paid considerably more.

I would suggest upgrading to 64 GB RAM since you will have an eight core processor. The relative price difference is worth it if you multitask.
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Also, when I upgraded my old editing computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10, I found that it ran Premiere Pro much faster and more reliably.
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Re: New PC?

Postby Peru » Sun May 26, 2019 7:29 pm

Steve Grisetti wrote: I usually try not to pay more than $1000 for a new system.


You can get a prebuilt system for Premiere Elements for that price, but even if you build it yourself, it would be difficult to find a system for Premiere Pro at that price point that would give a happy editing experience.
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Re: New PC?

Postby Steve Grisetti » Sun May 26, 2019 8:59 pm

That's why I recommend posting questions like this to our community forum. We've got such a great community of knowledgeable people who can bring so much to the discussion. Thanks, Peru!
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Re: New PC?

Postby karri » Tue May 28, 2019 7:16 am

Thanks Guys!

Steve I can't really afford it, but I scrimp on other things to feed the video addiction :-D

I always have admired people who can do so much with computers spending so much less! But I'm not very techy and want a PC that I don't have to tinker with. I thought I had everything I needed in my current PC but the SSD drive just kept running out of space. :conf:

So now that it's time for an upgrade, I don't want miss anything.

Peru thanks so much for your input and for posting your specs. Yes I do multitask, so thanks for the advice on the RAM. I'll get the 64 GB. :TU:

I couldn't find your video card. On Adobe's list of recommendations for Premiere Pro CC, they list the Quadro P4000 and the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, which are the upper limit $ cards on the systems I'm looking at.

Adobe graphics card recommendations https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/sy ... ments.html

Any advice on graphics cards (or any other PC parts!) from you guys would be great.

Thanks again, it's great to have a Muvipix as a resource! All you guys and ladies are are awesome!
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Re: New PC?

Postby sidd finch » Tue May 28, 2019 10:36 am

I couldn't find your video card. On Adobe's list of recommendations for Premiere Pro CC, they list the Quadro P4000 and the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, which are the upper limit $ cards on the systems I'm looking at.


Just because the graphics card is not on Adobe's recommended list does not mean you cannot add the graphics card you have and get CUDA to recognize and run in premiere pro. There are various tutorials to add your graphics card for premiere pro CUDA.



There are also tutorials for doing the same thing to after effects. Both are quite manageable and easy to perform.

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Re: New PC?

Postby Peru » Tue May 28, 2019 2:18 pm

karri wrote:
I couldn't find your video card. On Adobe's list of recommendations for Premiere Pro CC, they list the Quadro P4000 and the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, which are the upper limit $ cards on the systems I'm looking at.


The list of recommended cards is really only a list of cards that they have actually tested. With the great number of different cards out there, they can't test them all. If a card is not on the list, that just means Adobe hasn't bothered to test it.
Any card with at least 4 GB VRAM will work. You just have to make sure to manually download the latest driver from the video card manufacturer's site.
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Re: New PC?

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Wed May 29, 2019 1:43 am

When I upgraded my system to the currently installed CPU, I removed the graphics card as I couldn't really discern any noticable benefit over the CPU's graphics.

With the graphics capability now built into modern CPUs and the speed at which they perform relative to older CPUs, is a graphics card (and associated CUDA processing) really necessary for the sort of video processing that folk like us actually deal with? Does a graphics card really make a significant difference in processing times?

For gamers, probably. For video editing enthusiasts? Views anybody?
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Re: New PC?

Postby TreeTopsRanch » Wed May 29, 2019 10:31 am

You asked: "Does a graphics card really make a significant difference in processing times?"

Pretty sure it depends on the software you are using. Some make use of a graphic card others don't.
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Re: New PC?

Postby Chris B » Wed May 29, 2019 2:59 pm

For certain workloads mid range graphics cards are several times faster than even top end CPUs. For example - the raytracing benchmark Luxmark (http://www.luxmark.info/) renders at roughly 3.5 million samples per second on my i7-8700 processor but at 13 million samples per second on my 1080 graphics card - so around 3.5 times faster. A 9900k achieves over 4 million samples - still way short of the graphics card. It will really depend on what your software is doing and how it's written. When rendering one of my diving videos in Resolve my GPU is used at up to about 40% usage.
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Re: New PC?

Postby Steve Grisetti » Thu May 30, 2019 6:51 am

Because the names and numbers are so confusing, I usually refer to these benchmark reports in order to compare processor speeds.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

I used to say that 10,000 is a minimal score for a decent processor for video editing. Now, as you can see, processors are rating as high as 30,000.

The same company also lists benchmark scores for graphics cards.
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Though, as has bee noted, most of the consumer programs I use (notably Premiere Elements) don't get much of a boost from a graphics card so I'm not sure what to recommend for a minimal GPU rating. So I usually direct my budget to processor rather than graphics.

However, if you're using a professional program, like Premiere Pro or Vegas Pro, or doing a lot of intensive effects with a program like After Effects, an industrial strength graphics card definitely makes a difference.
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Re: New PC?

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Thu May 30, 2019 8:44 am

John 'twosheds' McDonald wrote:...is a graphics card (and associated CUDA processing) really necessary for the sort of video processing that folk like us actually deal with? Does a graphics card really make a significant difference in processing times?

For gamers, probably. For video editing enthusiasts? Views anybody?

Sterve Grisetti wrote:...if you're using a professional program, like Premiere Pro or Vegas Pro, or doing a lot of intensive effects with a program like After Effects, an industrial strength graphics card definitely makes a difference.

That, in essence, was the point that I was trying to make. With the processing speed of the current generation of CPUs and in relation to the general type of video work that we carry out, is an expensive graphics card really necessary?
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Re: New PC?

Postby Peru » Thu May 30, 2019 10:00 am

John 'twosheds' McDonald wrote:With the processing speed of the current generation of CPUs and in relation to the general type of video work that we carry out, is an expensive graphics card really necessary?


Premiere Pro CC won't run unless you meet the graphics card minimum specifications:
https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/sy ... ments.html
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Re: New PC?

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Fri May 31, 2019 12:27 am

Thanks for clarifying that Bob.

As an "out of mainstream tech" type of person that I am, I am still using my venerable Sony HVR (tape based), Win 7 Pro 64 bit and CS6. :(
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