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Postby BuddyB » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:18 am

You know the saying, "Fools rush In where angels fear to tread," well Mr Custer you and I have something in common. Here's the deal. I've assembled a movie that is 2:05 in length. Rendering is no issue with the exception of 10 hrs waiting. When I try my hardest all I get when I attempt to burn is "Please put in a burnable disc." And these are all new discs. I figure there's more to this than I perceived out front. After trying with MS13, and it is an MP4, I went ImgBurn and it conked out saying not enough room. Would it have made a difference had I rendered it as an MP2? This thing is going to be played on standard DVD players, but based on IMgBurn I get the feeling only BluRay will do. Any thoughts how this Keystone Kop may have gone wrong would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby Kent Frost » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:58 am

Buddy, what format are you rendering to??

EDIT: Strike that, I saw your answer on the other thread. ;-)
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby Steve Grisetti » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:31 am

Depends on what you're trying to do, Buddy.

Are you trying to create a disc that can play on a DVD or BluRay disc player?

And are we chasing this issue in two threads? That can get confusing.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby BuddyB » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:32 pm

This turned out to be totally different than the other. I learned to live with the 10-12 hr rendering times for a two hour movie, but when it rendered it wouldn't burn. I could not figure out why; thought DVDs would handle two hours. There's got to be a little more to this. I know I never had an issue with a 1 hour video. It is done in MS13, MP4.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby vkmast » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:48 am

Buddy,
Remember that "MPEG-2 creates an MPEG-2 video file. This format is suitable for burning your movie to a DVD."
NTSC DVDs require MPEG2 video with either PCM or AC3 audio.

In the "other thread" Kent Frost asked, "Do you know what your settings are, particularly the Mb/sec?"

In MSP 13, go to Make Movie > MPEG-2 Advanced Options, choose MPEG-2 and DVD Architect compliant video stream template. You need to customize the template. You need to encode to MPEG2 at a lower bit rate, so customize the bit rate there to something like 4.8 Mbps CBR (or 1/4.8/9 VBR), if you want 120 mins on a single-layer DVD.
Set the video quality to High there, though a lower bit rate lowers the quality as well. A double-layer DVD gives you more space of course, but some of us regard them as less reliable and use only Verbatim DVD+R DLs. You can use a bit rate calculator like the one here http://www.johncline.com/bitcalc110.zip. to check. Trivial formula: Avg video rate = (600 / minutes) - audio rate (~0.2).

Render the video and then render the audio separately using the Dolby Digital AC-3 template. Both files need to have the same name with different extensions (.mpg & .ac3) and DVD Architect will understand that both streams go together. Though DVD A has a "Fit to Disc" function (see Optimize), it's better to change the bit rate in MSP. As Steve says in another thread, "there is a saturation point. (Fit to Disc) won't squeeze, say, over 2 hours of video on a 4.7 gig disc" and it would recompress. DVD A will also recompress if the video in your project is not in the proper format.

Btw, you could try if a DVD+R DL would take your current rendered file?
The free MediaInfo software (View > Text there) would show the bit rate in your file.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby Steve Grisetti » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:01 am

Though I'm also concerned about a 10 hour rendering time for a two hour movie. On today's computers, rendering to DVD shouldn't take much longer than the running time of the movie, depending on what your source video is.

Can you Dropbox me a sample of what you're using as a source video, Buddy? I may be able to recommend a more efficient workflow.

Meantime, heed vkmast's advice. It's spot on!
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby BuddyB » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:25 pm

Thanks steve will do that, and VK that was so helpful I can't tell you what it meant to me. All this info is slowly but surely registering with my feeble mental motor. :) I'm still having some med issues; may take a a day, but I need to resolve the issue for my well being. I'm going to take just a portion of the basic video I did and DropBox it.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby BuddyB » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:20 pm

Well, as far as I can tell I've DropBoxed the file in question. Was it successful Steve?
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby Steve Grisetti » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:25 pm

Did you share it with me at Muvipix.com? I didn't get the notice yet.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby BuddyB » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:54 pm

I just sent the link. You have to download and open with MS13. Please excuse the sloppy work :)
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby Steve Grisetti » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:16 am

Thanks, Buddy.

You sent me the Vegas project file though. I'd like to get a sample of the camcorder video you're having trouble with. I want to see if I can figure out why you're having such outrageous rendering times.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby BuddyB » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:42 am

The thing was given to me in two parts, and I do not have access. The first, 1982, was done on his camera and burned to DVD. The second was much longer, originally shot on a Tv station cam with the larger cassettes, then they, the pros, dubbed it 1/2 speed onto a standard vhs that wound up 3 hrs worth. I may still have the VHS, don't know, and I could put a portion of it on DropBox if you think that would help. The gent I did this for lives in Atlanta.
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Re: I'm coming up for the third time..gag!

Postby Steve Grisetti » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:55 am

All I want is a sample of the video files you're editing your movie from -- one of your project assets -- so I can analyze it and we can figure out why they're giving you so much grief.
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