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Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

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Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby George Tyndall » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:09 pm

I'm aware that in his book Steve suggests that, if one is planning to use DVD AS5.0 to create one's Blu-ray disc, then sharing one's PRE timeline as an H.264 1920x1080i 30 file is recommended; however, until now I've been sharing all my HD timelines as HD MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 files that use a different codec. So I decided to test how DVD AS5.0 handles those.

To my surprise, what I discovered is that, on playback with my usual Blu-ray playback software (Cyberlink), there is audio but no video.

Interestingly, the HD MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 file that I outputted from PRE7, and that I used to burn the DVD, plays perfectly, as it always has, in Windows Media Player. The video is lost in the translation from a file on HDD to a Blu-ray disc.

Other discoveries:

1. With regard to the burning of SD DVDs, DVD AS5.0 insists on using only files that it has “prepared.” Specifically, if I output my HD PRE7 timeline as Burn to Folder (4.7GB) like I’ve been doing for years, and then try to use the resulting folder to burn a SD DVD, the folder is not recognized. But if I output the timeline as NTSC DVD MPEG2 720x480 as Steve suggests in his book and then use DVD AS5.0 to create a folder from that file, the resulting folder works perfectly for the subsequent burning of multiple discs.

2. With regard to HD, although PRE7 needs more time to “share” an HD Timeline to Personal Computer using the H.264 codec, the following is also true: a) the file is smaller than my former files so saves some real estate on my HDD and b) the time lost with sharing is made up for when burning one’s disc (the H.264 file needs no recompression but the other type does).

3. With regard to audio, if one’s source file uses Dolby Digital and one wishes to burn a SD DVD, then no recompression of the audio is required; however, if one wishes to burn a Blu-ray disc, then recompression is “required”–even if one has asked PRE7 to output the timeline’s audio as PCM (DVD AS5.0 uses only PCM for the audio on the Blu-rays that it burns).

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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby Steve Grisetti » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:24 pm

Interesting observations, George!
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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby George Tyndall » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:53 pm

Steve Grisetti wrote:Interesting observations, George!


Do you have any idea why there is no video when I use my previous preset, Steve?

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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby Steve Grisetti » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:22 pm

You mean when you use an H.264 codec? It could be that this codec is not universally read.

BTW, you keep saying I recommend outputting an MPEG with an H.264 codec to create a video for DVD Architect Studio. Where do I say that?

I've always recommended using the standard MPEG codec to create hi-def source video. Never the H.264.
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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby George Tyndall » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:52 pm

Steve Grisetti wrote:You mean when you use an H.264 codec? It could be that this codec is not universally read.


No, Steve, what I mean is that when I use the standard MPEG2 codec that I have always used Share>Personal Computer>MPEG>MPEG2 1920x1080i30, the Blu-ray has audio but no video.

But when I use the H.264 codec that you recommend in your book (see next post), both the audio and video play well from the Blu-ray disc.

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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby George Tyndall » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:03 pm

Steve Grisetti wrote:BTW, you keep saying I recommend outputting an MPEG with an H.264 codec to create a video for DVD Architect Studio. Where do I say that?

I've always recommended using the standard MPEG codec to create hi-def source video. Never the H.264.


Steve, on pages 2, 49 (box), 115 and 139, there is the following statement:

For Blu-ray discs, the best source video is a BluRay-ready AVC file, a 1920x1080 60i video (50i if you're editing PAL video) MPEG/MTS file using the H.264 codec.


Am I misunderstanding something?

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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby Steve Grisetti » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:53 am

No. I can't believe I wrote that! I'll have to ensure that it gets changed in the next printing!

You should be using the 1920x1080 MPEG2 29.97 (60i) interlaced at 18 Mbps with PCM audio.

I'm not sure where I got the AVC compression thing from. Even stranger that I'd say it twice! :oops:

I mean, it will still work. Especially if you're trying to create a H.264 BluRay. It's just not the optimized format.

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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby George Tyndall » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:30 am

Steve Grisetti wrote:No. I can't believe I wrote that! I'll have to ensure that it gets changed in the next printing!

You should be using the 1920x1080 MPEG2 29.97 (60i) interlaced at 18 Mbps with PCM audio.

I'm not sure where I got the AVC compression thing from. Even stranger that I'd say it twice! :oops:

I mean, it will still work. Especially if you're trying to create a H.264 BluRay. It's just not the optimized format.

Sorry about that.


But Steve, when I use the 1920x1080 MPEG2 29.97 (60i) interlaced at 18 Mbps with PCM audio, that's when I get only audio--no video--on the disc.

And when I use the H.264 codec, the DVD burns perfectly AND no recompression is needed--in other words, it appears that DVD AS5.0 considers files written with the H.264 codec to be "native."

I'm still confused.

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Re: Audio But No Video with the MPEG2 1920x1080i 30 Preset

Postby Steve Grisetti » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:38 am

Maybe I was right in the first place then!

I'll research it and find out what I can find out.
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