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Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:00 pm

I have decided to use wide screen (16:9) format when taking still photos and now I am having difficulty with the photos displaying on my wide screen TV. There is a black margin all around the photo. The photo is in the right proportions on the TV and I have selected 16:9. I burnt this DVD using PRE8. Can you guide me through the steps necessary to resizing photos to maintain 16:9 format.
Should there be a black band at the top and bottom of the 16:9 photos when moving the project into photo editor?
After selecting all sides, under output, I then select, "Edit with Premiere elements". New project settings states " Pal-Hard Disk, Flash Memory Camcorder-widescreen 48kHz". Is this setting correct or necessary when burning photos only onto DVD?
Under Share I then select, Burn to: Presets states "Pal_contents to available space", then Quality: "Fit to available space", box is ticked. I look forward to you helping me solve my 16:9 problems.
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby Bob » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:15 am

PAL standard definition frames are 576 pixels high. If you resize your images to 1024 pixels wide by 576 pixels high you will exactly fill a standard definition PAL 16:9 widescreen frame. You should not have a black band on any side. If you plan on using pan and zoom on your images, you can size them a bit larger to allow for that.

The project preset you chose ("Pal-Hard Disk, Flash Memory Camcorder-widescreen 48kHz") will work fine for your photo only projects.

The other thing you need to watch is the preset you use to create the DVD. If you use the wrong dvd share preset, you can also get black bars introduced. I don't have PrE 8. In PrE 7, which I have, the proper preset is named "PAL_Widescreen_Dolby_DVD".
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:41 am

Thanks Bob, I will try your suggestions. I also believe that I need to make sure that my DVD player is set correctly - 16:9 as well as the TV.

Thanks for the prompt reply.
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:36 pm

Hi Bob,
I burnt a movie slide show DVD using the format as suggested.
After making sure the DVD player was set to 16:9 and the TV set to 16:9, I still ended up with a letter box effect. In PRE8, I went back to "edit" clicked on "edit effects" and opened motion. I then moved the "scale" button to the right slowly, noticing the picture staring to fill the black outline on my monitor. When it filled the monitor I clicked done and burnt the movie slide show again. Success! It filled the TV in 16:9 format. :)
My question now is about sharpness. Have I reduced the sharpness of the slide on the TV?
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby Bob » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:11 pm

If you have scaled higher than 100 you have reduced the sharpness. If it is only a small amount past 100 it may not be noticible, but it's best to size the photos such that you never go over 100. What value did you scale it to?

It sounds like you made the photos too small. Let's double check what you are using. First, check what your project preset says about the frame size. From the menu, go to Edit>Preferences>General. For the preset you said you were using it should look something like this:

proj_properties.jpg


Is that what you have? The horizontal size of 720 pixels reflects that the video is using rectangular pixels that are 1.422 times wider than they are tall. This corresponds to 1024 square pixels which is what your photos use. The conversion is automatic when you import the photos, don't worry about it.

Now let's check the size of your photos. Bring up the Project panel where you can see the media items imported to your project. Right click on one of the photos and select properties from the popup menu. There are two lines I want you to look at. The first is Image Size. That lists the actual pixel dimensions (horizontal x vertical) of your photo. What does it say? The other line is Pixel Aspect Ratio. For a photo, that would normally be 1.0. Is that what you have?
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:29 pm

Bob, I appreciate you hanging in there with me to solve my 16:9 problem. In answer to your questions
Project preset. There are 2 differences. Frame size 720 horizontal 576 vertical 175:96.
Pixel aspect ratio D1/DV Pal widescreen 16:9 1.4587.
In the project panel>properties 720 x 576. Image size aspect ratio. Image size 1024 x 576. Pixel aspect ratio 1.0

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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby Bob » Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:58 pm

The 1.4587 pixel aspect ratio is fine. That's what's being used now. But, the 175:96 frame aspect ratio is odd. That works out to 16.4:9 -- it should have been 16:9.

Do me a favor and create a new project. Use the PAL DV Widescreen 48K project preset. Which does that show, the 16:9 ratio or the 175:96 ratio? Now, add a 1024x576 photo and place it on the timeline. Does it fill up the monitor window?

One last question. On the original project, what was the scale setting that filled up the monitor?

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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:41 am

Bob, I have carried out the test as suggested.
I have changed the project preset from "PAL-Hard drive, Flash memory camcorders-wide screen" to "PAL DV Widescreen 48K" as suggested. This still give me a ratio 175:96. Adding a 1024x576 photo onto the time line fills the monitor except for a very small (negligible) black band at either side.
One the original project the scale that filled up the monitor was noted at 133, with no margin top and bottom and about 4mm either side.
The project prest did the trick. Although I don't understand the 175:96 ratio.

I beleive I can now proceed with my project. Thanks for your help.

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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby Bob » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:28 pm

I don't know where that 175:96 frame aspect ratio is coming from, it should be 16:9. And, it's not something you can specify. I switched to Premiere Pro and never went to PrE 8, so I don't know if this is a PrE 8 thing in general or something just with your copy. Premiere Pro shows the proper 16:9 ratio.

That non-standard ratio makes the frame wider which is why you have a thin black bar at each side. When you go to burn your DVD, you may find that you have a thin black bar on the top and bottom. If the DVD frame aspect ratio is 16:9 as it should be, your larger frame will be scaled down to fit the width and that will make the height smaller introducing the bars. If the DVD frame aspect ratio has that non-standard frame aspect ratio, you won't get the top and bottom black bars.

Since you are using only photos, you could try using a high definition preset instead. The PAL HDV 720p 25 preset is 16:9 and uses square pixels same as your photos so the frame sizes will match -- size the photos to 1280 x 720. When you output to DVD, it will scaled down automatically to match the PAL widescreen DVD preset you selected. If you want to try this, verify that the preset is 16:9 and not some funky value.
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:31 pm

Hi Bob, I have changed the preset as suggested "PAL-HDV 720p 25. The preset is 16:9.
Using the PRE8 program and dragging the photos onto the timeline, burns 16:9, but I have lost captions. If I proceed with same few photos via PSE8>create>Slide show>slide show default options>Include photo captionsas text>Ok>select all> output>Edit with premiere elements>ok.
This produces a letterbox on the monitor and TV, but with captions. I would like to add some captions to my slide show. Am I using the best transition from PSE8 to PRE8?
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby Bob » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:12 pm

A couple of questions. Are your photos landscape and portrait orientation? In the preferences for the Organizer Slideshow, do you have crop to framesize checked?
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:13 pm

In this case I am using photos in landscape only. In slide show preferences in PSE8: I have -include captions as text, checked and crop to fit slides unchecked both in landscape photos and portrait photos.
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby Bob » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:19 pm

Could you try checking both boxes for crop to fit slides to see what that does to the letter boxing. I recall seeing comments that letter boxing could occur if those were not checked. I do not have Photoshop Elements installed on my computer, so I can't test this myself. I am using Production Premium CS6 which incudes Photoshop CS6 and Premiere Pro CS6 but doesn't have Organizer or support the elements slideshow feature.

For the last test where the slideshow was letterboxed, you can right click on the elements slideshow on the Premiere Elements timeline and break it apart. That will show you the individual elements that make up the slide show.

Looking at the Adobe patch site, I see that Adobe issued a patch to Premiere Elements 8 way back when. Do you have that installed? It's here if you don't.
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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby George Tyndall » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:52 pm

admoss68 wrote:In this case I am using photos in landscape only. In slide show preferences in PSE8: I have -include captions as text, checked and crop to fit slides unchecked both in landscape photos and portrait photos.


In the Slide Show Editor Preferences, regardless of whether my slides are Landscape or Portrait, I always choose Crop Slides to Fit: Portrait View.

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Re: Wide screen photos

Postby admoss68 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:56 am

I had success when I check the landscape box only. If I check the portrait box it crops my portrait photos too serverly so I will leave it unchecked.
Thanks for the excellent help I will now go and burn my many travel photos. =D>
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