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How hard are these?

Postby Maxine370 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:16 am

http://www.photodex.com/sharing/spotlight/demoshows_prophotosample.html
http://www.photodex.com/sharing/spotlight/demoshows_adjustmenteffects.html
http://www.photodex.com/sharing/spotlight/demoshows_advancedmotion.html
http://www.photodex.com/sharing/spotlight/demoshows_masking.html

I've been looking over these sample shows made with ProShow to get some ideas and man are these stunning. I've been able to recreate a lot of these effects with varying degrees of effort. There's one that is still stumping me ...in the end of the prophotosample show near the end with the groomsmen peeking through the center line and then the picture panning in between the opening and the black background. But that's not my question.

My question is how hard or easy is it to create this calibur of slideshow in ProShow? Is it somewhat the same as in Premiere, it's not just the tools but your knowledge of how to use, creativity and vision. Are these done by expert designers, whereas the typical user would struggle to do these even with tutorials.

I'd never give up using Premiere (almost never) but wonder how worthwhile an investment the ProShow software is?
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Paul LS » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:09 am

I think it is quite similar to PE. The tools are there like PE and you have to apply them... there are no "template" effects available to generate them as there aren't in PE. You can keyframe, you can use masks, you can use layers. In fact I think you summed it up in your comment... "it's not just the tools but your knowledge of how to use, creativity and vision".

The examples you linked to could also be created in PE, using either program would take quite a bit of effort to achieve the effects. I dont think it is as versatile as PE, in PE you have more control. And having used PE you will be able to work with ProShow quickly... I just started playing and found I could pick it up quickly.

I am not sure what it actually offers that you can not do in PE.... both require some work to create an effect. As I say PE gives you more control. Best thing would be to try the trial version... if you have time.
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Doreen L. » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:09 am

Beth - It is really a matter of learning how to use the program. The keyframing is different from PE and takes some getting use to. But...what I really like about PS is that you don't have to resize your photos before using them in the program and I think the output is better than PE. I also think the panning and zooming with PS is easier than with PE. I would definitely download the trial and play around with it.

You can also check out this forum where you can get an idea of some of the projects (and problems) with the software.

http://www.proshowenthusiasts.com/
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Clayton » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:03 am

Paul LS wrote:there are no "template" effects available to generate them as there aren't in PE.


Shows can be saved as a templete and then the next time select the template and just drop in different photos for the same effect.

Templates can be shared among others also.
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Chuck Engels » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:00 pm

claysand wrote:Shows can be saved as a templete and then the next time select the template and just drop in different photos for the same effect.
Templates can be shared among others also.


You can do the same thing with a Premiere Elements project file. If you name the images something simple like 1,2,3,4,... and just replace them with new images of the same names it will work just fine. Sharing project files is something we have done here on occasion, it works very well.
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Maxine370 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:04 pm

Thanks for all the input. It's probably as I thought but they make it look so easy in these shows. Maybe it's because there is no similar sample shows on the Adobe site.

Actually since I have PRPro I might have some shortcuts in nested sequences and the ability to import a project file into another file, thereby making it easier to recreate certain effects. Also with Pro I can easily replace a clip or picture with one step.

What I'm now doing is recreating all the effects I like into Pro project files and when I'd like to use them later I can import the file into the project I'm working on. I may need to tweak and adjust but the effect will essentialy be there.

Doreen what do you mean by better output?

Again thanks, I'll post some of my results up when I'm done.
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Doreen L. » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:19 pm

IMO, I think ProShow Producer overall produces better quality images whether you're using the Photodex Presenter or burning a DVD.

I also like the variety of caption motions and they're a lot of fun to play around with. And, for the most part, I can produce a slide show in PSP much faster than PE.
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Maxine370 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:27 pm

My first attempt at recreating some of the effects in the first of these shows taking a little license to deviate.

Not great but since it's only for a template (I would have to tweak with real pics anyway), it does the job.

Anyway here's the link http://muvipix.com/cpg/albums/userpics/ ... e_01~1.wmv

And the embedded

[wmvvideo1]http://muvipix.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10006/Sequence_01%7E1.wmv[/wmvvideo1]

Boy was this hard.
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Helen » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:47 pm

Very impressive
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Wheat King » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:14 pm

Nice job Beth!
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby momoffduty » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:47 pm

Wow, wonderful! Is the template with PE pro? or can you make a template with PE3?
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby VernonRobinson » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:33 am

This was my attempt to do something similar after owning ProShow for less than 1 week. I uploaded the ProShow Producer files but here is a link to the wmv for those who would like to look. I like the program. I am still in the steep learning curve. The interface and approach is different than PrEl. It seems to be "slide - centric" instead of a continuous timeline. Also, the keyframing (which I am working on) is not as well implemented as PrEl in my opinion. That being said, people are able to produce fabulous results. I think you can get good results without as much work as PrEl. However, there is a place for both tools. The video editing capability is virtually non-existent. So I think the two compliment each other.

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http://muvipix.com/cpg/albums/userpics/ ... grille.wmv

[wmvvideo]http://muvipix.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10033/Masking_grille.wmv[/wmvvideo]
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby VernonRobinson » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:35 am

Maxine370 wrote:Boy was this hard.


Creating the moving mask or posting the video?

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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Maxine370 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:42 am

recreating the effects in PremPro. Did you do that in Premiere or PS?

momoffduty wrote:Wow, wonderful! Is the template with PE pro? or can you make a template with PE3?
I did it in Premiere Pro and I used nested sequences so I wouldn't be able to save as PreEL. Sorry.
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Re: How hard are these?

Postby Cinde » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:18 am

Beth and Vernon, those were great. Thanks for sharing.
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