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No blue-ray coasters

Postby alaskamovieguy » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:02 pm

Just bought a LG BH08 blue-ray burner and hoping to not have coasters right off the bat! In PE7 when I select share/disc/blueray,there is no option for 'burn to folder'. So if I want to avoid a possible burn error burning directly out of PE7, should I export as share/computor/mpeg/H264 1920 x 1080i. That's what I had been doing when burning avchd onto DVD but just wasn't sure if that's the best route to take now that I'm burning on the blue-ray disc? My native files that I bring into PE7 are avchd 1920 x 1080 17MB's/sec from a canon HF20 camera.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby Bobby » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:22 pm

Somebody who knows should be along to help. The guys who do this use an external program that "fakes" PRE - you still output in PRE to the Blu-Ray drive but it intercepts and writes to hard drive instead.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:21 am

BD blank discs remain expensive so avoiding coasters is a good idea.

I received a BD-RE disc with my BD burner and I always use that to check that everything is OK on my BD player and TV before I write the final BD, so I am not reliant on what I see on my PC. :-D
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby alaskamovieguy » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:37 pm

A good idea John and I will pick one of those up soon. My main concern is whether I should be trying to burn an hour long project directly from PE7 or exporting first, either as some kind of 'work around' as Bobby described or simply exporting a H264 file. I know most of you guys use a higher end editing program but thought someone might have a successful workflow from PE7 on this. ::C
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:54 pm

If you go the export route you can use ImgBurn to create the BD disc. :-D

My workflow isn't via PrEl, so sorry, not a great deal of help to you. :(

I import the finished, edited video from PPro into Encore (I don't use the dynamic link facility) then use Encore to create the BD image to a file. Then I use ImgBurn to write the BD-RE and, if all is well, finally write the BD.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby alaskamovieguy » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:20 pm

John, when you say that you import the finished/edited file from PPro, what were your export settings, are you exporting H264? Another route I'm considering is going ahead and burn a blue-ray directly in PE7 and then if I get a succesful burn, take that disc and burn a disc image file in MovieFactory Pro 7 which should then leave me set for burning additional copies any time I want. I have been doing that before I got the blueray burner and creating avchd on dvd with good results. Just don't know for sure if I can create a disc image file of a blueray.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby Bob » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:42 pm

Another route I'm considering is going ahead and burn a blue-ray directly in PE7 and then if I get a succesful burn, take that disc and burn a disc image file in MovieFactory Pro 7 which should then leave me set for burning additional copies any time I want.


You can also use ImgBurn to create a Blu-ray disc image and burn additional Blu-ray discs.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby RJ Johnston » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:57 pm

There are two software devices that will let you emulate a Blu-ray burner. One is called Phantom Burner and the other is called Phantom Drive. I prefer Phantom Burner because it works with most video applications. Phantom Drive gives me problems. They will show up in Premiere Elements as a Blu-ray disc burner.

Phantom Burner: http://www.phantombility.com/en/prod/phantomburner/

Phantom Drive: http://www.phantom-drive.com/en/

If you have Windows XP for your OS, you won't be able to see the files with Windows Explorer on the Blu-ray virtual disc because of the file system (UDF 2.51), in which case you could use AnyDVD (illegal to have in some countries) to rip the files from the Blu-ray virtual disc to your hard drive. I would then use ImageBurn to burn the folder to a real Blu-ray disc. I don't think a disc copy -- from a virtual disc to real disc -- would work, but I haven't tried.

Please note that all this is theory, as I don't have a real Blu-ray burner or player to test any of this. George may have more to say on this.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby alaskamovieguy » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:07 pm

You can also use ImgBurn to create a Blu-ray disc image and burn additional Blu-ray discs.


Thanks for that info Bob. I have noticed a lot of folks here use the Image Burn software, so if I have any problems using the software I already have ( MovieFactory 7 Pro ), then I'll give Image Burn a shot.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby alaskamovieguy » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:12 pm

Good info on the Phantom Drive software RJ. I read your detailed info on that on another thread, here or adobe, don't remember which. In any case I bookmarked it for an alternative route. I guess now I'll just pick up a Bd-RW and start some trials. If I come up with anything interesting I'll post it here.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby George Tyndall » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:25 pm

alaskamovieguy wrote:Just bought a LG BH08 blue-ray burner and hoping to not have coasters right off the bat! ....


Here is what I currently do if my Blu-ray DVD project with menus will not be longer than about an hour:
--assemble my project, including menus, on a HD (1920x1080 if mostly stills, 1440x1080 if mostly video) Timeline (using a HD DVD template)
--burn ("share') the project to SD folder (a one-hour Timeline will burn in only a few minutes)
--play back the SD DVD folder with live menus directly from my HDD (MCE 2005 has this capability--if your OS does not allow this, then it should take only a few minutes to burn a physical SD DVD)
--if the SD DVD plays back flawlessly, proceed to burn the Blu-ray directly from the PRE7 Timeline
--if, as expected, the Blu-ray also plays flawlessly, I use the CyberLink software that came with my Blu-ray burner to create an image of it on my HDD (to be used for burning additional Blu-ray DVDs in the future)

BTW, I recently purchased blank Verbatim Blu-rays for $5 each (10 for $50) at Fry's.

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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby George Tyndall » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:37 pm

Bob wrote:You can also use ImgBurn to create a Blu-ray disc image and burn additional Blu-ray discs.


Bob, must one first burn a physical Blu-ray disc before burning the image?
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby alaskamovieguy » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:26 pm

George wrote: Here is what I currently do if my Blu-ray DVD project with menus will not be longer than about an hour:
--assemble my project, including menus, on a HD......


Hmmm. Interesting way to test run your blue-ray burn. Similiar to test burning to a BD-RW first but probably a lot faster it sounds like. I'll give that a try since I haven't picked up a BD-RW yet. I saw that link of yours earlier about Fry's deal on BD disc's, took a look around their web site last night and couldn't find it...so bought some from PC Nation, ( 96731 50PK BD-R 4X 25GB DATALIFEPLUS W OPTMED SUPL ) printable. A bit more expensive, plus had to pay $15 for shipping to Alaska.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby George Tyndall » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:20 am

alaskamovieguy wrote:Hmmm. Interesting way to test run your blue-ray burn. Similiar to test burning to a BD-RW first but probably a lot faster it sounds like. ...when you said it only takes a few minutes to share/SD folder from PE7 I'm surprised, I haven't tried it yet but it takes me quite a few hours to share/computor/mpeg/H264 1920x1080 when I've done a avchd to dvd project.


Yes, magnitudes of order faster AND I do NOT render the HD Timeline before burning to folder. Instead, I use the SD DVD not only to see how the live menus look but also to check for smooth playback, so we are talking minutes instead of, as you state, hours. If you do not have the same experience, please let me know, and I will post the hardware and software settings that I use to get this performance.

alaskamovieguy wrote: George, when you burn HD video, why do you resize to 1440 x 1080? Many thanks for the info! I'll give it a try.


I'm shooting my HD video with a Canon HV30 set to HDV, so the proper Project Preset is 1440x1080, however, in your case the proper preset is the one for AVCHD. What you should see when you drop your clips onto the Timeline is that no rendering of the unedited clips is required and that the red line which indicates that the clip is not rendered will appear only above those portions of your clips where you've done some editing.
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Re: No blue-ray coasters

Postby RJ Johnston » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:47 am

George, I believe in a AVCHD project there will be red lines over the AVCHD clips. This is due to the fact that the editing mode for the AVCHD presets uses MPEG-2, not AVCHD. That would bother me as I couldn't tell what has been edited and what hasn't.

At least that is what I witnessed in Premiere Elements 8.
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