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HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Di Hansen » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:52 pm

I am using the HD slideshow menu theme (dock with ocean) in PRE 12. I replaced the menu background with a .psd image with dimensions 855 width x 480 height. My image does not fill the entire menu frame.

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What am I missing? Please advise. Thanks!
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:35 am

One way to resolve this would be to select the image on the timeline then in the Effects panel select Motion>Scale and adjust as necessary.
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:44 am

John 'twosheds' McDonald wrote:One way to resolve this would be to select the image on the timeline then in the Effects panel select Motion>Scale and adjust as necessary.


Thanks, John.

Hmmm...When I put it on the timeline, it automatically scales perfectly into the frame - no adjustments needed. However, the same image does not scale to fill the menu frame. (Am I missing something in what you suggested?)

Any other ideas? ::C

In addition, I created the image in Photoshop. Is there a scaling option (pixel correction?) That could work for me there?

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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:16 am

Hmmm. I may have slightly mislead (and misunderstood). Sorry.

In Photoshop you can resize the image using Edit>Transform>Scale but remember to lock the dimensions otherwise the image will distort.

Alternatively, in Photoshop, select Image>Image Size> then select Bicubic Smoother from the drop down list and make the image slightly larger.
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:29 am

John 'twosheds' McDonald wrote:Hmmm. I may have slightly mislead (and misunderstood). Sorry.

In Photoshop you can resize the image using Edit>Transform>Scale but remember to lock the dimensions otherwise the image will distort.

Alternatively, in Photoshop, select Image>Image Size> then select Bicubic Smoother from the drop down list and make the image slightly larger.


Thanks, John. No worries. Thanks for your help.

Resize/scale with what final dimensions? When I resized the image to 1920 x 1080 I still had black bars around the image.
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:42 am

Well you have me stumped, Di.

If the black bars were part of the image all that would be required would be a crop. But from what you have said that doesn't appear to be the case.

I am not a PrEl user so I can not "have a play around". Maybe someone that uses PrEl will be along soon to help you out. Sorry. :(
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Steve Grisetti » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:00 am

What are the project settings for your project, Di, as listed under the Edit menu?

It's also possible that, although the Monitor panel displays your video with black bars around it, your 1920x1080 image may look just fine when you output your finished BluRay disc. Previews are not always dead-on accurate.
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:05 am

Steve Grisetti wrote:What are the project settings for your project, Di, as listed under the Edit menu?

It's also possible that, although the Monitor panel displays your video with black bars around it, your 1920x1080 image may look just fine when you output your finished BluRay disc. Previews are not always dead-on accurate.


Project Settings
Editing: DSLR
Timebase: 29.97 frames/second
Frame Size 1920 horizontal 1080 vertical

An aside:
Final output = standard DVD
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby John 'twosheds' McDonald » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:07 am

HD aspect ratio 16:9, SD aspect ratio 4:3. Could that explain it?
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:18 am

John 'twosheds' McDonald wrote:HD aspect ratio 16:9, SD aspect ratio 4:3. Could that explain it?


Probably - although I haven't output-ed it yet. This is just on my project timeline. So far - my project doesn't know where it is headed. :)
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Steve Grisetti » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:59 am

Just to confuse matters even more, 1920x1080 16:9 is not the same shape video frame as 720x480 16:9. It's close -- but they're not quite the same.

So even if you get a 1920x1080 background image that fits perfectly into a 1920x1080 menu page, when you output as a widescreen DVD, it still may not fill your whole screen.

But we're talking about a few pixels here and there. And, if you're showing your video on a TV (which cuts off a little from the edge of your video frame anyway), no one will ever notice anyway.

So it may not be worth killing yourself over this. Even though I'm curious too why a 1920x1080 photo doesn't perfectly fill a 1920x1080 menu page.
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:12 am

Steve Grisetti wrote:Just to confuse matters even more, 1920x1080 16:9 is not the same shape video frame as 720x480 16:9. It's close -- but they're not quite the same.

So even if you get a 1920x1080 background image that fits perfectly into a 1920x1080 menu page, when you output as a widescreen DVD, it still may not fill your whole screen.

But we're talking about a few pixels here and there. And, if you're showing your video on a TV (which cuts off a little from the edge of your video frame anyway), no one will ever notice anyway.

So it may not be worth killing yourself over this. Even though I'm curious too why a 1920x1080 photo doesn't perfectly fill a 1920x1080 menu page.


hahaha Thanks for giving me permission to let it go!

In the past, I have looked at this menu file in Photoshop and their are some pixel aspect scaling items selected for the themes background image. Another topic for another day - need to get this done, so I will accept it as is and research some other time. By the way, I tried the image in another menu theme and it did not fill the frame either.

Thanks for your help!
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Peru » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:55 pm

Steve Grisetti wrote:It's also possible that, although the Monitor panel displays your video with black bars around it, your 1920x1080 image may look just fine when you output your finished BluRay disc. Previews are not always dead-on accurate.


That's certainly true. My export previews in Adobe Media Encoder and the previews in DVD Architect Studio frequently show black bars that aren't visible in the final output to DVD.
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Di Hansen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:07 pm

Peru wrote:
Steve Grisetti wrote:It's also possible that, although the Monitor panel displays your video with black bars around it, your 1920x1080 image may look just fine when you output your finished BluRay disc. Previews are not always dead-on accurate.


That's certainly true. My export previews in Adobe Media Encoder and the previews in DVD Architect Studio frequently show black bars that aren't visible in the final output to DVD.


Thanks for your feedback! I have yet to output to Blu-Ray disc. :)
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Re: HD Menu Background Image dimensions

Postby Peru » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:22 pm

Di Hansen wrote:
Thanks for your feedback! I have yet to output to Blu-Ray disc. :)


Try a rewritable first. ;)
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