Changing orientation of photos in Timeline

[kenskopp]

Hi I am a new subscriber and have just updated to PRE12 & PSE12 from v10. When I bring photos from PSE organizer into PRE12, some of the photos need to be changed for proper orientation. I have used "applied effects" motion area to "rotate right or left" Photo changes in the monitor view but nothing changes on timeline. When I have tried to make "instant movie", some photos are sideways in movie. I am used to separate timeline and scene line in v10. I had chat with adobe and they implied I would have to change orientation in windows folders before I imported into PSE12.
I have converted all my catalogs to PSE12. All my photos have been resized 1000x750. I have HP pavilion desktop PC with windows 7 64 bit.
After importing photos from folder into PSE12, when I tried to move them to an album I get "keytag error" and photos will not go into the album. I ordered today Steve's Guide to PRE12, will get it Thursday. Thank in advance for your help.

[Steve Grisetti]

Rotating the photos in Applied Effects is exactly the right way to do it, Ken. I'm surprised it's not working for you.

Although sometimes the program does strange things if the photos are oversized. Have you ensured all of your photos are sized to no larger than 2000x1500 pixels?

As for the Organizer, changing the orientation in it doesn't actually change the rotation of the actual file. It just affects the way the thumbnail looks in the Organizer's media library.

[Bob]

some of the photos need to be changed for proper orientation. I have used "applied effects" motion area to "rotate right or left" Photo changes in the monitor view but nothing changes on timeline.

That's one of the differences between the sceneline and timeline mode. In the sceneline mode, the image in the sceneline would rotate along with the image in the monitor. In timeline mode, the images on the timeline don't rotate. Nothing is wrong, that's just the way it works -- the image in the monitor is the one that matters. As long as the monitor image is correct the movie will be correct.

If you are using instant movie and there is a slide with the wrong orientation, you can break apart the instant movie, find the photo on the timeline, and rotate it using the motion controls.

Don't know about the keytag error, I don't use Organizer. Are you using custom tags? Barb is our Organizer guru. Hopefully, she will see this and comment.

[kenskopp]

Ok Bob, How do I activate sceneline mode? PRE12 is certainly different from PRE10.

[Bob]

Sorry, but in Premiere Elements 12, Adobe dropped the Sceneline mode and replaced it with the Quick Edit Mode. You now have Quick and Expert edit modes. Expert is the same as the prior version's Timeline mode.

[Steve Grisetti]

Bob, are you saying that a selected clip on the timeline -- photo or video -- won't rotate 90 degrees if open its Applied Effects/Motion and change Rotation to 90 degrees? Or am I misunderstanding you?

[Bob]

You are misunderstanding me. The photo or video will rotate when you do that, but the thumbnails on the timeline will not update to reflect that.

Here's an example. The arrow is vertical in the original, but rotated 90° using Motion effects rotate control. The Sceneline version on the left shows the arrow rotated in the monitor and sceneline. The timeline version on the right shows the arrow rotated in the monitor, but not in the timeline. The timeline thumbnails are still vertical.

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It has always worked this way.

[Steve Grisetti]

Never knew that!

[kenskopp]

Hello, My problem with putting photos in an album has gone away But in Quick mode I am still having challenge with orientation of photos. The photo in monitor view changes but not in the sceneline thumbline.I did download updates for both programs from ADOBE.

[Bob]

Glad to hear that your problem with the Organizer went away.

As for the thumbnails in the timeline, they don't update. Go by what you see in the monitor.